KAENA POINT ROAD IN THE WORKS?

[maleko(n.l.i)]

i don't have a question, but you obviously can't read.

it's stated that

Urban uses would not be compatible in this zone and should not be expanded. A paved highway around Ka'ena Point would not be allowed."

The Central O'ahu/North Shore Regional Plan also states that a paved highway around Ka'ena Point would not be allowed.


From the North Shore Sustainable Communities Plan: "Protect the natural resources of Ka'ena Point from potentially damaging vehicular traffic and roadway development."


From the Wai'anae Sustainable Communities Plan: "Preservation of lands north of Kepuhi Point as open-space lands." In addition, while the plan acknowledges the need for another access road, it never suggests a road around Ka'ena Point as an option.


Ka'ena Point is a federally recognized and protected natural reserve and, as such, is part of the the Hawai'i Natural Areas Reserve System. It is also a state park. Any road would endanger the area's ecosystem.


In the 2000 legislative session (SCR 160), it was determined by the Department of Transportation that it would cost at least $500 million to build such a road around Ka'ena Point. Four years later, the cost probably would be at least a third higher. Bottom line: It could cost at least half the entire state operating budget to build such a road.


For all the foregoing reasons, we strongly oppose the recommendation for a road around Ka'ena Point, and we will be monitoring this issue very carefully in the future.

please do us a favor OH MIGHTY GEOLOGIST and post the link to the article you read in the paper here on this thread. or was it just a "Letter To The Editor" you read?

[maleko]

:D I WAS JUST WAITING FOR GOOD OLD RELIABLE MALEKO TO BE BE BAITED. I'LL MEET YOU AND BE GLAD TO BUY BEER OR FOOD JUST TO MEET THE GUY WHO CAN STUMP ME. IN FACT I'LL OPEN A WHOLE NEW TOPIC AREA.....THIS ALL OUT OF GOOD SPIRIT.... I JUST LIKE A GOOD CHALLENGE , SO SOMEBODY DO ME JUSTICE AND SHUT ME UP!!!......I'M EAGAR TO LEARN....MALEKO I EXPECT YOUR QUESTION FIRST

it's sad that in order to meet people you have to bribe with beers

remember the party you went to and got no pussy and your board got stolen?

bummer deal man....had my board stole from outside my friends house at a party...got drunk, got no pussy, masssive hangover and no board. best part was i bumped into some lady surfing on the e ...

geologists must not have to be too smart

[surfer9joe]

How old is kaena point?

I went biking to the end of kaena a couple weeks ago, almost got SHOT!!!

There are two roads, one by the beach, one a little inland. I took the inland one, there is a big bush/hill so you cant see the beach( and its hidden from the beacvh) in this one part. Before I went by there I saw this truck with little clouds going up next to it on the beach part, about 150 yards away. As I am riding along, I hear this "pop pop pop", then actually hear bullets whizzing through the air. Thoise idiots couldnt see me and were shooting towards the mountain!! I got down low, doubled back and took the beach road so they could see me.

Um, what the hell about the letter those mokullia residents wrote? Obviously a road around was proposed.

No need to get personally insulting.

[HMARK]

OK, so we pave a road, and everybody is pissed.

Sounds like a done decision to me.

[malekos]

Um, what the hell about the letter those mokullia residents wrote? Obviously a road around was proposed.

No need to get personally insulting.

that letter was written after 2 waikiki residents proposed a road around kaena (letters to the editor" i read them everyday right b4 i take a shit in the mornings.

i have not yet seen an article in the paper about building a road around the point.


i will post the 2 letters from Town Clowns asap. i have already posted the 2 other letters , which you have already read.

[malekos]

1 person lives in Waianae

Build road around Ka'ena Point

The discussion of an alternate inbound/outbound road for the Wai'anae Coast has now been going on for many years, and the only solution that has been arrived at recently is to reroute traffic through a residential area, causing noise, danger and pollution to those residents living and going to school along the narrow roads mauka of Farrington Highway.


Ka'ena Point aerial view shows a path linking Mokule'ia and Wai'anae.
Advertiser library photo • 1998

These roads and neighborhoods were not built for rush-hour commuter traffic.

Instead of wasting taxpayers' money on short-term fixes and causing permanent damage to the Leeward neighborhoods, a realistic, workable and affordable solution needs to be adopted to bring the Leeward side out of a dead-end status and reunite it with the rest of the island.

I and others on the Wai'anae Coast propose the building of a 5-mile stretch of road between Yokohama Beach and Mokule'ia. The right-of-way around Ka'ena Point already belongs to the state; therefore, there would be no land-acquisition costs. The road could be elevated around the point to protect the delicate ecosystem on the sand dunes.

It is further suggested that the road be dedicated to and named after a beloved local person, perhaps Israel Kamakawiwo'ole or the Rev. Abraham Akaka.

Let us take a lesson from King David Kalakaua, who set the precedent in 1886 when he granted a franchise to Benjamin Dillingham to build a rail track around Ka'ena Point. He could see the social and economic wisdom of connecting the two sides of the island all those years ago.

I and others on the Wai'anae Coast firmly believe that a road encircling the whole island would bring tremendous financial benefit to the entire Wai'anae Coast and would be a morale boost to all of those in this community who want to participate in the business life of the Islands.

Look at the amount of development that is planned and has already taken place in the Kapolei area. Some of the benefits from all of the investment that is going into that area should be guided Leeward, as should the tourists who are being attracted to Kapolei and Ko Olina. This entire coastline has been ignored and literally dumped on for years.

The cost of this road would be a drop in the bucket compared to the economic opportunities it would provide. Maybe as a recompense for the devastation that the military has visited on Makua Valley over the years, it would be interested in building the road for us.

Isn't it about time to redress the balance and put some clear thought into the infrastructure of this area?

All roads should lead somewhere.

Hans Kealoha Wedemeyer
Wai'anae

Letters to the Editor

notice the name? German

next letter...

Ka'ena Point road a great idea

I write to strongly second the obvious common sense contained in Hans Wedemeyer's excellent June 24 letter advocating the building of a road around Ka'ena Point.

The completion of such a road would provide innumerable obvious benefits, cost next to nothing (it's only a distance of 5 miles, and the state already has the right of way), vastly improve the socioeconomic and traffic situations for residents of the Leeward Coast, and could, in fact, turn that whole stretch of coastline into a magnetic draw for both tourists and locals alike.

When I first came to Hawai'i, I used to be able to wiggle my way along the dirt road around Ka'ena Point between Yokohama Bay and Mokule'ia, and it was a blast. Then like all good things, people started to abuse it, go off the road and tear up the dunes and the fragile ecosystem of Ka'ena Point.

As Mr. Wedemeyer points out, a "no exit" road around the point could easily be built in such a way that it was elevated and bordered by steel or concrete barrier shoulders such that cars would not be able to drive off this road once they were on it. (Just try pulling off the H-3.) Instead, a simple parking lot — also designed in an elevated and "unexitable" configuration with only one way in and one way out and again bounded so that vehicles couldn't leave it — should be built mauka of the road away from the dunes. This would give visitors a chance to conveniently park and take hiking trails out to Ka'ena Point.

Way too few folks use the trails to Ka'ena Point nowadays because the 2-mile hike is such a deterrent, and this would open up a magical portion of the island to residents and visitors alike while minimizing any ecological damage to the dunes or wildlife.

Unfortunately, it takes more than just letters to the editor (no matter how logical) to move the hidebound Department of Transportation. What is really needed is for the Wai'anae Neighborhood Board, and other "powers that be" along that coast, to adopt a firm and formal position on behalf of the community they represent to demand that the DOT take a serious look at a proposed "regulated road" around Ka'ena Point and require a response and action.

An access road of this sort would present a unique opportunity to alleviate both the traffic and economic problems that the Wai'anae Coast otherwise faces (especially given the government's tendency to shove it aside like a poor stepchild and treat it, quite literally, as a "dead end" community). This is an important opportunity for government to actually do something positive for the Wai'anae Coast, and it should not be missed.

After all, how often does anyone, anywhere, get to complete a scenic and utilitarian "round-island road" in this day and age? Mr. Wedemeyer deserves credit for bringing such an obvious, but so long ignored, issue back to the forefront where it belongs.

Bradley A. Coates
Honolulu

OK, maybe not Town clowns

3rd letter...

Forget Ka'ena Point road, open up Kolekole

After reading the letters about building a road around Ka'ena Point, I have an even better idea. How about we build a road around the Na Pali Coast? That way everyone could enjoy that beautiful coast.

Come on, people! Some places just don't need a road, especially since Wai'anae already has a road called Kolekole Road. It's time to persuade the military to open it to the public. There are no terrorists in Wai'anae.

— Mark Tamosiunas | Wai'anae

maybe i'm wrong, but the 2 letters are from your avg. JOE not the State.

[malekos]

the german guy can't be listening to IZ's songs.

i forgot the name but it Iz is asking the question "What would the Ancient Hawaiians think of cars, roads, highways on sacred grounds, etc." somebody know the name of it???

i'm not part of Iz's family but i think IZ would not want a road around kaena pt named after him.

so "ROCKDUDE" where's the article you read? i listed everthing i've been reading. or is it being discussed at some secret geologist meetings?

[HM]

"Hawaii '76"...

[k]

"Hawaii '76"...

actually it's "Hawaii '78"

megaprober, with all due respect, you sound pompous. and you can take off "caps lock" anytime - no need shout at everybody.

Here's a good letter to the editor:

"Ua Mau Ke Ea O Ka 'Aina I Ka Pono O Hawai'i

If just for a day our king and queen
would visit all these islands and saw everything
How would they 'bout the changing of our land
Could you just imagine if they were around
and saw highways on their sacred grounds
How would they feel if they 'bout this modern city life

Tears would come from each others eyes as
they would stop to realize
that our people are in great, great danger now

How would they feel
would their smiles be content
rather then cry
cry for the gods, cry for the people
cry for the lands that were taken away
and in it you'll find Hawaii

Could you just imagine if they came back
and saw traffic lights and railroad tracks
How would they feel about this modern city life
Tears would come from each others eyes as
they would stop to realize
that our land is in great, great danger now

All of the fighting that the king had done
to conquer all these islands
now there's condominiums
How would he feel if saw Hawaii now

How would he feel
would his smiles be content
rather then cry
cry for the gods, cry for the people
cry for the lands that were taken away
and in it you'll find Hawaii

Ua Mau Ke Ea O Ka 'Aina I Ka Pono O Hawai'i"

[megaprober]

honestly i'm flattered that you are using a quote i came up with. looking back at it gave me a good laugh

[LGREANZ]

Hot potato , hot potato, great topic you've started here megaprober.
great to see everyone's diferent opinions.
Maleko that was a great write up about hiking Kaena Pt. from the Leeward side, where did you plagarize that from ?
I'm sure the Author has many other good hiking trail reports.
I would love to hike around that point even camp out there and fish out there for a weekend but when I hike back to my vehicle after a great retreat from society it would be gone or destroyed.
I have changed my opion about building the road after reading about the cultural significance of that region. Like the Napali Coast it should remain sacred and serene, just like any National park found in America(mainland).
But something should be done to conect Waianae to the rest of the community. Kolekole is the easiest solution but come on your dealing with the military on that one, all they know what to do is to seek and destroy.

It think the road will never be built, way to expensive.
And the greedy corupt powers that be would not benefit from a project like this, their pockets will not become fatter.
And the Hawaiians would HATE them.

The people who would enjoy a project like this would be us the surfers, the fisherman, and the crack heads so the have a hiding spot to go tweak out and rip us off when we are trying to have fun.
I think the soloution is pretty clear, build safe, proper parking areas that are well lighted and patroled by park rangers on both sides of the trail heads. THis way we can leave our vehicles, go enjoy the beauty, surf, fish, camp, hike and after we have our fun be able to jump in our cars and drive away happy.

There should probaly be a fee also , so these funds can maintain the area and keep the environment clean.

[surfer9joe]

build safe, proper parking areas that are well lighted and patroled by park rangers on both sides of the trail heads.

yes!

What I couldnt figure out when I took my bike was how all those people got their cars past the gate? There were at least 8 trucks past that gravel parking lot, some all the way to almost the end where the other gate is.

[megaprober]

with caldwell gone i thought i'd update the detailed report on my website http://www.jutecast.com. on doing so i noticed a large area of waves about to hit the southern tip of south america. if you guys are interested i posted a link to the forecast there on my detailed report page if your interested. it's much larger than anything i've ever seen here.

[Rich]

Hey LGREANZ good post dude! I concur having lived down there many moons ago not much has changed sadly. If you wanna just surf and enjoy the beach aint gonna happen without worryin about yer vehicle dude.

[guest]

my names mark (maleko). i need new teeth and im seeing a shrink! and i write 'confidential' emails to my boss telling on people like a fifth grader.